wel gvd, tolki slaat door
http://www.stratovarius.com/index2.php? ... =interview
Na het lezen van dit interview, en terugkijkend op de afgelopen paar maanden en gebeurtenissen, krijg ik steeds meer en meer het idee dat het allemaal een grote publiciteitsstunt is. Volgens mij staat Kotipelto volgende maand weer bij Strato in de studio...
Na het lezen van dit interview, en terugkijkend op de afgelopen paar maanden en gebeurtenissen, krijg ik steeds meer en meer het idee dat het allemaal een grote publiciteitsstunt is. Volgens mij staat Kotipelto volgende maand weer bij Strato in de studio...
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Demorpheus
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ik heb het ook net doorgelezen, maar OF die kerel is gewoon een enorme narcist met heelveel zelf medelijden OF het is allemaal fake.
ik noem ff deze zin
daarnaast vind ik dit ook onlogisch omdat het hier om hun eigen site gaat:
het ligt mij er allemaal wat te dik boven op.
ik noem ff deze zin
dit moet haast wel een grap zijn, ik kan me niet voorstellen dat dit zo maar in een interview komtJK: I never rehearse because I am so good. I have played in this band always. It is my band actually! You guys just don´t know this. Besides I have more important things to do than to play. Like drinking and driving mountain bikes. My mountain bike costs 25 000 US Dollars by the way and it is a fucking nice piece of equipment!
daarnaast vind ik dit ook onlogisch omdat het hier om hun eigen site gaat:
Dit moet haast wel volksmennerij zijn, geen fatsoenlijke muzikant zet zijn persoonlijke problemen te koop dus hij wil aandacht trekken, misschien medelijden opwekken.Why are you doing that?
TT: This whole violence shows that mankind hasn´t truly learned anything from the past. If you consider this: If a simple rock band is able to generate this much hate and direct death threats, then how is it with larger things and with things that REALLY matter?
Is it any wonder why we still have wars in the world when you look at this fucking reaction from STRATOVARIUS fans? So that´s why I am drinking vodka straight from the bottle.
Are you still going to therapy?
TT: I quit that, but now I think I have to go back there. Perhaps start taking antidepressive medication again. This whole thing might make the whole band enter group therapy. I heard there is really good group therapist in Germany, who is specialized in problems of rock groups.
Besides I am facing 1,5 Million Dollars lawsuit from Sanctuary, so it´s all downhill for me now anyway.
You saw your father commiting suicide when you were just 12 years old. Have you gotten over that?
TT: None of your business asshole. Why do you have to ask that? I will never get over that. When your own father cuts his wrists with razorblades and jumps down from the 4th floor in front of your eyes, don´t you think it will have some influence to you?
I am sorry I asked. Sorry Timo.
TT: Ok, no prob. You journalists just want to sell your fucking magazines! I know you! I know you!
het ligt mij er allemaal wat te dik boven op.
Nee, jij!!
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Damien, son of Lucifer
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Demorpheus schreef:ik heb het ook net doorgelezen, maar OF die kerel is gewoon een enorme narcist met heelveel zelf medelijden OF het is allemaal fake.
ik noem ff deze zindit moet haast wel een grap zijn, ik kan me niet voorstellen dat dit zo maar in een interview komtJK: I never rehearse because I am so good. I have played in this band always. It is my band actually! You guys just don´t know this. Besides I have more important things to do than to play. Like drinking and driving mountain bikes. My mountain bike costs 25 000 US Dollars by the way and it is a fucking nice piece of equipment!
daarnaast vind ik dit ook onlogisch omdat het hier om hun eigen site gaat:
Dit moet haast wel volksmennerij zijn, geen fatsoenlijke muzikant zet zijn persoonlijke problemen te koop dus hij wil aandacht trekken, misschien medelijden opwekken.Why are you doing that?
TT: This whole violence shows that mankind hasn´t truly learned anything from the past. If you consider this: If a simple rock band is able to generate this much hate and direct death threats, then how is it with larger things and with things that REALLY matter?
Is it any wonder why we still have wars in the world when you look at this fucking reaction from STRATOVARIUS fans? So that´s why I am drinking vodka straight from the bottle.
Are you still going to therapy?
TT: I quit that, but now I think I have to go back there. Perhaps start taking antidepressive medication again. This whole thing might make the whole band enter group therapy. I heard there is really good group therapist in Germany, who is specialized in problems of rock groups.
Besides I am facing 1,5 Million Dollars lawsuit from Sanctuary, so it´s all downhill for me now anyway.
You saw your father commiting suicide when you were just 12 years old. Have you gotten over that?
TT: None of your business asshole. Why do you have to ask that? I will never get over that. When your own father cuts his wrists with razorblades and jumps down from the 4th floor in front of your eyes, don´t you think it will have some influence to you?
I am sorry I asked. Sorry Timo.
TT: Ok, no prob. You journalists just want to sell your fucking magazines! I know you! I know you!
het ligt mij er allemaal wat te dik boven op.
Mee eens, volgens mij was die Kainulainen altijd een hartstikke sympathieke vent (trouwens, heel - voormalig - Stratovarius, met uitzondering van Tolkki was sympathiek). Ik kan me niet voorstellen dat dit interview echt is.
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Damien, son of Lucifer
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En nu dit weer:
STRATOVARIUS webmaster Fred Derf has posted the following message on the band's official web site:
"Today I received a phone call from [STRATOVARIUS mainman] Timo Tolkki.
"He sounded like being in a very confused state of mind and was talking about red Kabbalah ribbons and how when he was reading Madonna's biography he felt warm waves all over his body and that the spirit of Jesus entered him and that now he really has found something he has been searching for all his life.
"I am very worried about him, he sounded like completely crazy.
"From this day onwards I will not take the responsibility of whatever is being released on this Website.
"As long as my paycheck arrives, I will continue putting on the site whatever Tolkki asks me to put there.
"But there is nothing I can do about it.
"I just work here."
STRATOVARIUS webmaster Fred Derf has posted the following message on the band's official web site:
"Today I received a phone call from [STRATOVARIUS mainman] Timo Tolkki.
"He sounded like being in a very confused state of mind and was talking about red Kabbalah ribbons and how when he was reading Madonna's biography he felt warm waves all over his body and that the spirit of Jesus entered him and that now he really has found something he has been searching for all his life.
"I am very worried about him, he sounded like completely crazy.
"From this day onwards I will not take the responsibility of whatever is being released on this Website.
"As long as my paycheck arrives, I will continue putting on the site whatever Tolkki asks me to put there.
"But there is nothing I can do about it.
"I just work here."
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Damien, son of Lucifer
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En geloof het of niet Bob, het wordt NOG leuker!
STRATOVARIUS leader Timo Tolkki (photo) has posted the following statement on the band's official web site:
"I really need to share this with all of you.
"2 days ago I had a panic attack, I lied down and tried to relax.
"Then a voice in my head told me repeatedly: Kabbalah, Kabbalah, Kabbalah. I believe it was the voice of Jesus Christ. I felt warm waves through my body and I felt secure and happy. The voice told me to take a bloody picture of myself in honour of HIS memory. Then the voice told me to go to my library and one of the books fell into the floor before me. I didn't even remember I have that book.
"It was about the teachings of Kabbalah. I believe I have now found the complete and only Universal truth. I understand that none of the things in my life matters really. It is all an illusion anyway.
"I will use this webpage and also the future STRATOVARIUS recordings to celebrate the beauty of this ancient teaching.
"Here is the Part 1
"Classical kabbala identifies four levels of the soul - called nefesh, ruach, neshama and neshama l'neshama. Nefesh is the animating principle of the physical body and the senses ruach is the force vitalizing the emotions neshama is the vitality of intellect and neshama l'neshama is the essence of life of the human soul. The Arizal refers to this fourth level of soul as chaya, signifying its function as the essence of life. However, all these four aspects of the soul he regarded as mere extensions of the essence of the soul, which he called yechida.
"Between the Creator and the created (i.e., the aspect of spirituality1 in general) there is an intermediate level - regarding which it states, 'You are children of G-d your Lord.,' for our Sages have declared, 'the Patriarchs are the merkava.' The intention here is that a tiny spark of G-dliness, drawn from the lowest level of the Creator, clothes itself in a single spark of the created in potentia, which is an extremely ethereal soul. Within this soul-spark, called yechida, are the roots of all the other four levels of spirituality - nefesh, ruach, neshama and chaya.2
"In other words, the soul is both part of the Creator and at the same time it is created - its luminous essence is "a tiny spark of G-dliness,' and the sheath in which it is clothed is a created being, albeit a spiritual being and not physical. As the soul emanates from the Ein Sof - the Infinite One - eventually to be clothed in the physical body, the soul descends via the four worlds mentioned above, leaving a root in each of the worlds3 - chaya in the world of Atzilut, neshama in the world of Beria, ruach in the world of Yetzira, and nefesh in the spiritual dimension of Asiya.4 All of this is then enclothed within a physical body.
"The soul enclothed within the body is a reflection of the Divine Form, called the tzelem, or tzelem Elokim. This tzelem Elokim may be described as the human mold of man's physical form, linking his body and soul. This mold derives from the configuration of the sefirot, which form the structure of the worlds through which the soul descends on its journey down into the body.
"At the same time that the soul's outer dimension reflects the configuration of the sefirot, the inner dimension of the soul reflects the Infinite Light that illuminates the sefirot. This reflection is called the demut Elokim (the Image of God).5 Thus man includes all of creation within him, from the loftiest spirituality to the most mundane physicality.6
"From the perspective of man's service of G-d, these levels of soul may be described as five ascending levels of awareness of, and communion with, G-d. Regarding these levels of soul, Zohar7 states that when a person is born, he is given a nefesh from the world of Asiya, the lowest world, representing the greatest concealment of G-d. If, through his divine service and proper action, he makes himself worthy, he is then given ruach on the plane of Yetzira. With greater effort, he can earn the revelation of neshama, paralleling the world of Beria. If he purifies himself greatly, he may be able to attain the level of chaya paralleling Atzilut, and even yechida - the G-d-consciousness of the level of Adam Kadmon and beyond. ('Beyond,' because the level of soul called yechida in essence transcends all the worlds, since it is never separated from G-d. It is described as being 'truly part of G-d above,' 8 the 'spark of the Creator clothed within a spark of the created' described earlier.)
"This setup puts man in a unique position, for through his spiritual and physical composition (soul and body) he is bound up with all levels of creation. His actions and behavior are therefore capable of affecting all the worlds and all the sefirot. Thus man is a microcosm of creation and his actions have cosmic significance. He is able to affect the balance of the universe, both spiritual and physical, by his kavanot (mystical intentions) and yichudim (unifications of the sefirot). The Arizal revealed an elaborate system of kavanot and yichudim designed to achieve this very purpose.
"In Metal, Timo Tolkki"
STRATOVARIUS leader Timo Tolkki (photo) has posted the following statement on the band's official web site:
"I really need to share this with all of you.
"2 days ago I had a panic attack, I lied down and tried to relax.
"Then a voice in my head told me repeatedly: Kabbalah, Kabbalah, Kabbalah. I believe it was the voice of Jesus Christ. I felt warm waves through my body and I felt secure and happy. The voice told me to take a bloody picture of myself in honour of HIS memory. Then the voice told me to go to my library and one of the books fell into the floor before me. I didn't even remember I have that book.
"It was about the teachings of Kabbalah. I believe I have now found the complete and only Universal truth. I understand that none of the things in my life matters really. It is all an illusion anyway.
"I will use this webpage and also the future STRATOVARIUS recordings to celebrate the beauty of this ancient teaching.
"Here is the Part 1
"Classical kabbala identifies four levels of the soul - called nefesh, ruach, neshama and neshama l'neshama. Nefesh is the animating principle of the physical body and the senses ruach is the force vitalizing the emotions neshama is the vitality of intellect and neshama l'neshama is the essence of life of the human soul. The Arizal refers to this fourth level of soul as chaya, signifying its function as the essence of life. However, all these four aspects of the soul he regarded as mere extensions of the essence of the soul, which he called yechida.
"Between the Creator and the created (i.e., the aspect of spirituality1 in general) there is an intermediate level - regarding which it states, 'You are children of G-d your Lord.,' for our Sages have declared, 'the Patriarchs are the merkava.' The intention here is that a tiny spark of G-dliness, drawn from the lowest level of the Creator, clothes itself in a single spark of the created in potentia, which is an extremely ethereal soul. Within this soul-spark, called yechida, are the roots of all the other four levels of spirituality - nefesh, ruach, neshama and chaya.2
"In other words, the soul is both part of the Creator and at the same time it is created - its luminous essence is "a tiny spark of G-dliness,' and the sheath in which it is clothed is a created being, albeit a spiritual being and not physical. As the soul emanates from the Ein Sof - the Infinite One - eventually to be clothed in the physical body, the soul descends via the four worlds mentioned above, leaving a root in each of the worlds3 - chaya in the world of Atzilut, neshama in the world of Beria, ruach in the world of Yetzira, and nefesh in the spiritual dimension of Asiya.4 All of this is then enclothed within a physical body.
"The soul enclothed within the body is a reflection of the Divine Form, called the tzelem, or tzelem Elokim. This tzelem Elokim may be described as the human mold of man's physical form, linking his body and soul. This mold derives from the configuration of the sefirot, which form the structure of the worlds through which the soul descends on its journey down into the body.
"At the same time that the soul's outer dimension reflects the configuration of the sefirot, the inner dimension of the soul reflects the Infinite Light that illuminates the sefirot. This reflection is called the demut Elokim (the Image of God).5 Thus man includes all of creation within him, from the loftiest spirituality to the most mundane physicality.6
"From the perspective of man's service of G-d, these levels of soul may be described as five ascending levels of awareness of, and communion with, G-d. Regarding these levels of soul, Zohar7 states that when a person is born, he is given a nefesh from the world of Asiya, the lowest world, representing the greatest concealment of G-d. If, through his divine service and proper action, he makes himself worthy, he is then given ruach on the plane of Yetzira. With greater effort, he can earn the revelation of neshama, paralleling the world of Beria. If he purifies himself greatly, he may be able to attain the level of chaya paralleling Atzilut, and even yechida - the G-d-consciousness of the level of Adam Kadmon and beyond. ('Beyond,' because the level of soul called yechida in essence transcends all the worlds, since it is never separated from G-d. It is described as being 'truly part of G-d above,' 8 the 'spark of the Creator clothed within a spark of the created' described earlier.)
"This setup puts man in a unique position, for through his spiritual and physical composition (soul and body) he is bound up with all levels of creation. His actions and behavior are therefore capable of affecting all the worlds and all the sefirot. Thus man is a microcosm of creation and his actions have cosmic significance. He is able to affect the balance of the universe, both spiritual and physical, by his kavanot (mystical intentions) and yichudim (unifications of the sefirot). The Arizal revealed an elaborate system of kavanot and yichudim designed to achieve this very purpose.
"In Metal, Timo Tolkki"
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HellcommandeR
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HellcommandeR
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Damien, son of Lucifer
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Daisycutter
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Jeroen
- That bastard from Metalfan.nl
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ik vind nightwish muzikaal wel te pruimen en ik vind de nieuwe zanger ook uitstekend..maar ik ben geen liefhebber van Tarja..het is te groots en te overdreven, maar dat is een kwestie van smaak
"By Grabthar's hammer, by the suns of Warvan, you shall be avenged!"
Tegen overmatig gebruik van breakdowns!
Tegen overmatig gebruik van breakdowns!
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defenderofsteel
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- Lid geworden op: zo dec 14, 2003 2:22 pm
Could it get any sadder? The whole Stratovarius fiasco is quickly turning into an irreversible embarrassment for all involved. First this latest gem from the increasingly insane Timo Tolkki:
”World peace, tolerance to other people's feelings and opinions, systematically refusing to cooperate with EVIL, world without armies, world without hate, love... My eyes have opened finally. These fucking things are just UTOPIA. They can never be achieved. I was once stupid because I honestly, wholeheartedly believed that these things could be achieved and that we human beings could learn from the past and just live in peace. I've got news for you baby, IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. So why not just have good time, you never know when your days are numbered. It could be tomorrow you know! So don't wait ANY MORE! MAKE YOUR LIFE A MASTERPIECE! MAKE A DIFFERENCE!! FUCK EVERYBODY WHO WANTS TO STOP YOU!! ADOLF HITLER IS ALIVE AND WELL IN THE WORLD. I FUCKED HIM LAST NIGHT. WE ARE ALL HITLER AND WE ARE ALL CHRIST. AND HITLER IS WINNING!!"
And this follow-up from the band's webmaster!
"Today I received a phonecall from Timo Tolkki. He sounded like being in a very confused state of mind and was talking about red Kabbalah ribbons and how when he was reading Madonna´s biography he felt warm waves all over his body and that the spirit of Jesus entered him and that now he really has found something he has been searching for all his life. I am very worried about him, he sounded like completely crazy.
From this day onwards I will not take the responsibility of whatever is being released on this Website. As long as my paycheck arrives, I will continue putting on the site whatever Tolkki asks me to put there. But there is nothing I can do about it. I just work here."
One can only wonder what will come next.
tolkki doet deze topicnaam eer aan. was altijd al benieuwd hoe een verslagen idioot eruit zag, nu schijnt dat ik em al 2 keer op het podium heb zien staan
”World peace, tolerance to other people's feelings and opinions, systematically refusing to cooperate with EVIL, world without armies, world without hate, love... My eyes have opened finally. These fucking things are just UTOPIA. They can never be achieved. I was once stupid because I honestly, wholeheartedly believed that these things could be achieved and that we human beings could learn from the past and just live in peace. I've got news for you baby, IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. So why not just have good time, you never know when your days are numbered. It could be tomorrow you know! So don't wait ANY MORE! MAKE YOUR LIFE A MASTERPIECE! MAKE A DIFFERENCE!! FUCK EVERYBODY WHO WANTS TO STOP YOU!! ADOLF HITLER IS ALIVE AND WELL IN THE WORLD. I FUCKED HIM LAST NIGHT. WE ARE ALL HITLER AND WE ARE ALL CHRIST. AND HITLER IS WINNING!!"
And this follow-up from the band's webmaster!
"Today I received a phonecall from Timo Tolkki. He sounded like being in a very confused state of mind and was talking about red Kabbalah ribbons and how when he was reading Madonna´s biography he felt warm waves all over his body and that the spirit of Jesus entered him and that now he really has found something he has been searching for all his life. I am very worried about him, he sounded like completely crazy.
From this day onwards I will not take the responsibility of whatever is being released on this Website. As long as my paycheck arrives, I will continue putting on the site whatever Tolkki asks me to put there. But there is nothing I can do about it. I just work here."
One can only wonder what will come next.
tolkki doet deze topicnaam eer aan. was altijd al benieuwd hoe een verslagen idioot eruit zag, nu schijnt dat ik em al 2 keer op het podium heb zien staan
www.myspace.com/suddenthrash
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Demorpheus
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defenderofsteel
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Lijkt me behoorlijk echt, echt goede publiciteit zou het anders niet zijn.
nog een bericht van de webmaster van de strato site:
WEBMASTER´S STATEMENT 20.2.2004
21.02.2004 / Author: WebmasterStratovarius
Today I received a phonecall from Timo Tolkki.
He sounded like being in a very confused state of mind and was talking about red Kabbalah ribbons and how when he was reading Madonna´s biography he felt warm waves all over his body and that the spirit of Jesus entered him and that now he really has found something he has been searching for all his life.
I am very worried about him, he sounded like completely crazy.
From this day onwards I will not take the responsibility of whatever is being released on this Website.
As long as my paycheck arrives, I will continue putting on the site whatever Tolkki asks me to put there.
But there is nothing I can do about it.
I just work here.
nog een bericht van de webmaster van de strato site:
WEBMASTER´S STATEMENT 20.2.2004
21.02.2004 / Author: WebmasterStratovarius
Today I received a phonecall from Timo Tolkki.
He sounded like being in a very confused state of mind and was talking about red Kabbalah ribbons and how when he was reading Madonna´s biography he felt warm waves all over his body and that the spirit of Jesus entered him and that now he really has found something he has been searching for all his life.
I am very worried about him, he sounded like completely crazy.
From this day onwards I will not take the responsibility of whatever is being released on this Website.
As long as my paycheck arrives, I will continue putting on the site whatever Tolkki asks me to put there.
But there is nothing I can do about it.
I just work here.
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defenderofsteel
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Damien, son of Lucifer
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als je Tolkki's posts op het Strato forum leest, dan is hij gewoon echt doorgedraaid.Demorpheus schreef:dus jij denkt dat omdat een fan iets doet de band raar is?
en ik heb toch sterk mijn twijfels over hoe echt dit allemaal is, ik kan het niet helpen om te denken dat hier meer achter zit
Tenzij hij het als grap bedoelt, maar dan gaat niemand hem meer serieus nemen na zulke onzin (en als hij het meent wat hij post dan neemt ook niemand hem meer serieus).
Aardschok meldt:
Die bedreigingen waren in elk geval redelijk serieus dus.De nieuwe vocalist, of beter gezegt, de nieuwe vocaliste van Stratovarius heet Miss K. (Katriina Whala)
Als reactie op bandleider Tomi Tolkki al tientallen bedreigingen per email ontvangen. "Of ze serieus zijn of niet maakt niet zo veel uit. Het blijft een erg onprettige ervaring, en ook voor Miss K. is het niet echt een warm welkom" aldus Timo. Fans hebben schijt aan de zangeres. Letterlijk, want uit Brazilië heeft Miss. K. een postpakket met stront mogen ontvangen. Respect is ver te zoeken. Drummer Anders Johansson (Hammerfall) heeft het maar liefst een hele week uigehouden bij Stratovarius. Anders zou alleen de komende plaat inspelen, maar zijn prioriteit is en blijft alleen Hammerfall. Timo zag dat anders, en daarop heeft Anders besloten helemaal niet aan het volgende Stratovarius-album mee te werken. Voormalig Stratovarius-zanger Timo Kotipelto komt in april met de soloplaat 'Coldness'
Wantlist cd/lp:
Original Sin – Sin Will Find You Out
Sindrome - Into the Halls of Extermination
Sindrome - Vault of Inner Conscience
Vulture - Easier to Lie
Paradox - Heresy
Original Sin – Sin Will Find You Out
Sindrome - Into the Halls of Extermination
Sindrome - Vault of Inner Conscience
Vulture - Easier to Lie
Paradox - Heresy
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defenderofsteel
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